Hornady The SP101 is far more comfortable to shoot but not so much fun to carry. 32 H&R Mag 21,000 ), I very much wanted to start with some tried-and-true Bullseye loads, but it took an epic scavenger hunt across many months to find a canister of the elusive classic. Yes I do have a few of the older high quality classic revolvers not the current made Cast Iron garbage that is being vomited out today. accuracy. 594/600 at the real distances of 24 rnds at 50 yds, 24 rnds at 25 yes, and 12 rnds at 7.5 yds. My Hornady book says for 158 gr L-SWC, Unique powder, CCI magnum primer the minimum listed (not sure if that's absolute minimum) is 4.3 and maximum is 4.7. Reloading for it came next and it has since become my favorite pistol cartridge. Reading the "WARNING" on the site, it states to not exceed the loads published and to start 10% below the loads shown and work up from there. Jacketed bullets are not legal for Distinguished Revolver. A Forum dedicated to the sport of Bullseye shooting, Bullseye-L Forum::Ammunition Discussion, byPacFltShooter Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:00 am, byPacFltShooter Wed Oct 28, 2020 5:36 pm, byPacFltShooter Wed Oct 28, 2020 6:46 pm, byPacFltShooter Wed Oct 28, 2020 8:45 pm, byPacFltShooter Wed Nov 04, 2020 4:50 pm. Similar to a 9mm 124 gr RN Cast Bullet. Ideal load in a 2 J Frame .38. Speer shows 3.9 to 4.5 grains for a double end lead wadcutter but I'm thinking that may be a little strong for a plated bullet. Some medium fast powders would work with lighter weight bullets. Even though the gun was chambered for .357 Magnum, I plinked and practiced with a lot of .38s over the years. 4.4 gr. Does anyone have any data. Like the author said, I consider it a garbage disposal round as you can load it with almost anything with good results. 2.7 gr. September 2015 S.W.A.T. I think you will find since the .38 special is headspaced on the rim your case length is very important to achieve your best accuracy. The Bullseye powder pushed five into two inches flat for another 1911 that is typically a four-inch gun. COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. Great gun. Three in particular proved as good as their longstanding reputations would indicate. TITEGROUP AND 125GR 38 SPECIAL LOAD DATA Ammunition-Gunsmithing Reloading Forum Register Notices Consider Becoming A Supporting Member Click HERE For The Benefits Reloading All Reloading Topics Go Here Thread Tools Display Modes # 1 01-24-2016, 05:38 AM RONALD HENSLEY Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Waynesville NC Posts: 114 Likes: 12 And for 99% of the actual real world needs of a citizen for self defense it will work just fine. It's given me good results in the 2, 3 and 4 inch barreled. Maybe its just me, but having that tiny bit of extra length and weight in the cylinder that I was never going to use just kinda bothered me. When I finally got my hands on a pound of Bullseye, I naturally started with some of these loads. At 25 you can get away with a lighter load. Have a Tritium sight and laser on it to boot. I load these bullets to the edge of the shoulder and use anywhere from 3-4 grains of TB. I don't know what bullets you have, but Berry's recommends per their website to use hard cast data for their plated bullets. My M60 came w/ factory banana grips- open back, long enough for pinkie rest but too small in girth behind the trigger guard. I would add that the firearm mentioned, a Model 27 S&W revolver is a very durable gun, intended for the hotter loading of .357 Magnum. Im not a hoarder and I dont keep them, but I am detailed in my process. Hi. Very forgiving with a straight wall case, and tons of bullet variety. Ive been loading 158gr FMJ with Titegroup and the only problem Ive had is getting the seating depth right after the die locknut slipped. Bullseye and NRA Distinguished Revolver 3.8 gr. I could knock out a pretty substantial chunk of my shooting needs with only these three loads. You may end up with one "not" clearing the barrel. Shot placement is just as important if not more. . I had enough, The Model 1911 pistol will officially turn 100 years old on May 5, 2011. Allgoodhits Posts : 726 Join date : 2017-09-17 Location : Northern Virginia Like In the 1950s, 60s. Speer .38 shot cup, 5 grains of UNIQUE, and (3) #1 Buckshot pellets dates back to the 70s as a Junk Yard Dog load. Just look for a lead remover tool with bronze screens. WITH THE SWAGED BULLETS REDDING SELLS A PROFILE CRIMP DIE. I almost spit out my drink when I read your comment. When I finally nabbed my own canisters of Bullseye, the first load I spun up was 2.7 grains under Hornadys hollow-base wadcutters. A 4 inch barrel would be my choice as well. The 357 magnum about 45,000 psi and the std 38 special about 17,000 psi. If you have the means, I highly recommend you trying one out. 38 Special 125 gr XTP American Gunner Item #90324 | 25/Box The American Gunner line of ammunition is a collection of tried-and-true, versatile loads that are popular with shooters for their target shooting, hunting or self-defense needs. I'm seating to what's in my loading manual. Reduce by 10% to establish a starting charge weight. Thats not quite how that works. Due to different barrel lengths, type of bullet, seating depth, primer type and other factors, you may not get near the FPS charted. I'm planning to use Alliant's Unique powder to reload with 125 grain flat point jacketed bullets from Berry's and Winchester small pistol primers. .38 Special (Alliant Data) Warning! 5, #2230, and #2460 are products of Accurate Arms Company My more serious RN is the 358311 that drops @150 gr. My brother put CT laser grips on his wifes M36. A light target load, which tends to be very accurate, is about 3.1 grains, with a 158 grain bullet. That for just a nice shooting load one cant beat 148gr wad-cutter for pure fun. When using a 158 gr. A chameleon depending on your loads and the barrel length or action its fired from. Winchester's 231 or WSL are also good powders for the .38 special. Thank you for the article. If you, I took the vow not to buy any more AR-15s a couple of years ago. No offense sir but those charges look low for Unique. But I found 2.4 and 2.7 interesting at 25 yards off the sandbags. I dont own anything in .38 special yet, but I have plans to buy a .357 magnum revolver in near future, so I already reloaded couple thousands of rounds in .38 and .357. Alliant Pistol/Revolver Load Data: Be Alert: Publisher cannot be responsible for errors in published load data. Softer alloys of lead are just easier on the machinery. Thanks for the excellent article, Josh! Reducing consumables (and therefore cost) that much more is definitely appealing to me. Ammunition is available everywhere handguns are legal. By After making a healthy pile of brass with this load, I am unlikely to ever be without a few boxes of it on standby. The key to those rounds, in spite of their paltry muzzle velocity of something like 825 feet per second out of a snubbie, is their diameter and mass: they will make significant diameter holes and penetrate respectably in attackers. 41 Rem Mag 35,000 Does anyone have experience with loading WST for 125 gr plates bullets or a place to start the research/testing? 9.) Ok, will the bullet easily pass thru the cylinder throat, if so, you need the next larger size bullet dia. LRNFP - your load, with a plated bullet should be Very Similar, or slightly slower and safer. Using bullets from Hornady HP-XTP, Hornady HP-XTP or FP-XTP, Hornady FP-Cowboy, Hornady HBWC, Hornady SWC-HP, SWC or LRN. I simply took mixed brass and ran em through the Hornady Lock-N-Load AP press with the bare minimum preparation. I only wish the brass was more available locally. Its the only gun that has appreciated in value (as long as you ignore inflation). No matter where you look, the first mention in classic loads for the .38 Special is a 148-grain wadcutter over 2.7 grains of Bullseye. I think the 158 lrn is more accurate then the swc but that's just me. Hornady also has load data for the 110-grain .357 XTP for the lower-pressure .38 Automatic. Powder coating. (Note: These are near maximum loads (in some cases ARE MAXIMUM), you should use 10%. Regulator, SBSS #2255, Pawnee Station, Ro I & II. I bought him as a gift a 642 with the black rubber grips, a few speedloaders w/big knob tops, and Hornady 125 grain FTX loads. Ask your Dealer, or call Hodgdon), has a Cowboy Load section, (near the center fold), that lists data for about all SASS calibers. Many reloading manuals also list an estimated pressure with a given load. Click there and go to the load data lookup section . Recoil is subjective and I feel no difference between that and an 750-775 fps load. Its the kind of load that will make you fall in love with the 1911 all over again! Youre describing Remington Multiball ammunition (R357MB)- I used to carry that stuff decades ago. If you have a lightweight .38 or older gun, you may want to start with 10% less than max amounts listed above, and work up to the full loads. They are true classics, and I hope you get as much use out of them! YOU WOULD BE WASTING YOUR TIME TRIMMING THE BRASS. Rated 5.00 out of 5 based on 9 customer ratings. *WAP is not best choice for .38 special, too slow and inconsistent. I have one that has been loaded about sixty times and it is still in use today. Although the .357 cylinders are the same length so they can be timed to a 642. This post was originally published in 2018. I wish Id had a commercial version of this load in my ammo allocation when we were tasked with getting classes of students up to special operations standards with the issue custom 1911s. The bullets are seated flush in the case. Anyone know where I can download a chart where all the powders burning rates (regardless of manufacturer) is listed. (bullseyeforum.net). I just got some clays which I heard was very clean burning compare to bullseye. Unlike many other guns Ive owned and carried, this little snubby really cant be modified much beyond factory configuration. No. load is 4.4 grains for 38 special and 5.0 grains is a +P load. I have tested both brass and nickel-plated cases using mild loadings and have not yet worn out a case. They all shot horrible at 25 yards. Currently using Titegroup, but started out with, and loaded many thousands of rounds, with Bullseye. S&W M637-2 2" barrel But, with jacketed bullets that doesn't seen to be working. Jacketed bullets are legal for DR, as long as they are 158 grain round nose or semi-wadcutter. Rules say (e) Ammunition- Any safe .38 caliber ammunition using the 158 grain round nose or Semi-Wadcutter bullet only. Recoil is mild enough that for many years it was the golden choice for the next introductory step for young or new shooters after rimfire. I have found that if you go down too low in charge you will have some ignition issues occasionally. I went to the grocery store to buy a loath of bread.. My other son fired one shot and handed it back. I also find the LCR .357 enjoyable to shoot with all .38s and most .357s. The proof pressure MAP specified by SAAMI is 29,500 psi for both rounds. I found it to be a nice blend of accuracy, soft recoil, and sure functioning, with enough spice behind it to reliably topple steel targets. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Ive tried full metal jacket and the Hornady Action Pistol (HAP) match hollow point in this load, and both ranged from good to great in my nines. Great Cast Lead Bullet for IDPA. I carry my M642 extensively, but I only shoot it occasionally because it is a snappy little b!tch with standard loads. My Hornady 11th edition shows this for 38 Special 158 gr lead RN, LSWCHP and LSWC. The 9mm produces about 35,000 psi, Bonus is that dont need magnum Primers for these reloads. Dont take this the wrong way; Im guessing the average age of .38 spl fans is about my age (70). When you say "not working" can you be more specific? For best accuracy in slow fire shooting, you may want to raise gun before every shot. The floor does not apply for PPC, or the equivalent match for Action Pistol. Interesting. It will then fit in your 38 Special gun. Josh Wayner is a Michigan native, active competitor, Grand Valley State University alumni, troublemaker, and fiction author. Dec 18, 2011. have been factored in, but Looks like starting with roughly 4.2 of W231. Like both the .38 and the .44 spl. Berry says load plated bullets to mid-range jacketed bullets of same profile and weight or equal to hard cast. swatmag.com is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to Amazon.com. The upside of the grainage is that the small charges mean more loaded rounds per pound of powderhelpful since Bullseye can take a while to reacquire once the container is empty. I started reloading 38 special as my first cartridge 8 years ago when I was 22, soooo.I have an old mans soul? Im a big fan of .32 revolvers, I do think they are a superior choice for carrying and shooting than .38 is, but that doesnt mean I think .38 or .357 sucks, I just dont think theyre the best choices for a small frame revolver. VihtaVuori Oy Company, reloading booklet (1995) Numerous magazine articles on reloading special calibers and personal loads where noted. You will be, essentially, making 38 Short Colt. Good job on you! 1.) I have tested both brass and nickel-plated cases using mild loadings and have not yet worn out a case. Power Pistol won't work for me. Clear editor. Or does the CMP make the rules for DR, and the NRA admins it? Note the dark band of lube on the 3 lead bullets. In a nutshell & I mean very short version. I tried 10 shots of each: 2.2, 2.4, 2.5, 2.7. If you continue to use this site we will assume that you are happy with it. So it is my gut feeling that Winchester found it to be touchy in smaller calibers like 38 special and 9mm Luger. 2.9 of Clays is soft enough and dead accurate at 50yds. I get 1000 fps with this load. want me to write up an article about 3d printed .38 special bullets that Ive been working? Very versatile cartridge. .38 brass isnt as common as 9, .40, or .45 brass at the range, but of all the revolver brass you can find its the most plentiful. This 1911 halved its normal so-so accuracy with 200-grain Hornady C/T SWC, shooting this nice two-inch group. 6.) Others Have reported some success but few have more than one or two loads. Not in that order. Bullseye is the classic pistol powder and the backbone of many pet loads. Because we have no action to cycle, the novice reloader can afford to be off a bit if they have an entry-level scale or powder dispenser. Like Wobbly. I bet you can find some nice shooting loads with Bullseye. I'd rather shoot my .45 then. I haven't used any of those powders but I like faster powders in 38 Special like Titegroup and Clays. Most starting .357 reloading powder levels will fall in this .38 +P+ type reload, and the powder being used can be selected (faster or slower) based on barrel length. Everyone here who has tried plated bullets including myself, have had disappointing results in accuracy. Here's what the Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook says for cast 125g flatpoint for 38 in the powders you mentioned. I did start out fawning over all of the tactical gear, but once I had that covered my tastes matured I think to love the wood and steel guns. Clays, Universal, HP38, HS6 and H4895 are products of Hodgdon Powders. As I researched loads in the meantime, I kept seeing the same several popping up again and again in sources from as recent as yesterday to long out of print books from when air travel was a newfangled wonder. The cowboy loads would be good choices as listed, since these ARE reduced loads for that sport, where usually just hitting a metal plate to make a sound is all that is required of the round. 7, No. What sort of wildlife are you thinking would be a good application for this self-defense load? A revolver shooting .38 SPL only requires the power of your finger to make it fire and can thus be loaded with ammo that is extremely mild or hotter than hot. Powders include IMR, Hodgdon, Alliant, Vihtavuori, Winchester, Accurate True enough that it doesnt make power factor for Custom Defensive Pistol in IDPA or major in USPSA competition. 3 1/2" average not included flyers which seem to happen on every group test. Many of these men had no real experience with the handgun, and we had but a few weeks to get them up to very high standards that most shooters will never reach. Home About Partners Contact. Fifty yards of course is the preferred distance. Stylish But Serious: Kimber Super Carry Pro, Survival Savvy: Gearing Up for the Next Level, Force Multiplier: Knife and Gun Integration. is a good place to start. CorBon Self Defense, 38 Special, 125 Grain, Jacketed Hollow Point, +P, 20 Round Box 38125 I've tried Berry's plated as well as Remington. On my J frame S&W without the CT #305 Laser Grips, I swapped out to a Hoque set. in a belt holster at 4:00. My Dad has advanced arthritis and could not longer easily work his auto loaders. 7.) That's usually +P power level in .38 Special. 38 Special Loads for Bullseye by GerhardG Sun Jul 17, 2022 11:01 am Greetings, Looking for load suggestions for 38 special LSWC 158 grain SNS bullets, red coated based on the following powders; Bullseye, Unique, N310 and N320. I find the Pachmayr Compac grips on my 640 reduce the slap of full-boat .357 to less than that on my 3 M65 (w/ wood Altamont grips) or my 4 686 (Pachmayr Gripper Professional grips.) You cannot paste images directly. All newly manufactured .38 Special revolvers must be proof tested to the same higher proof . While I wish I could carry a 5 .45 WITNESS with several 10 round mags, as a senior citizen, the S&W J frame is my user friendly alternate. I, like Spartacus, find the SAAMI recommendations an interesting spec for comparative purposes. I just bought a Lyman mold 160 round nose with a crimp groove. [.38 Special] is a very versatile and useful round. Bullseye is the best powder I have found for 38 special. Shot many thousands of my bullseye powder reloads with it. I have 4 handguns that will shoot .38. Something like the Ruger GP100 or S&W 686 yup, theyre the best caliber for those size revolvers. In several of the guns, the old standby couldnt quite duplicate the level of precision they exhibit with current production wadcutters from Black Hills or Winchester, but in each case, the load shot close to or right on the sights and nearly held the X ring. That's usually +P power level in .38 Special. When I finally took the plunge and started handloading (FIRST SHOTS WITH HANDLOADING: How Hard Can It Be? Nice thing about reloading is that loads can be tailored for the gun that you are shooting. But for plinking, they'd be fine. In my time with the cartridge, I have come to appreciate the mid to low end of the power spectrum and thus have made extensive use of Trail Boss powder and bullets such as Hornadys .358 158gr SWC. This Cast Reloading Bullet feeds great in automatics and has excellent accuracy in both the 9mm and 38 Super. Hmm. Generally, I'm looking for a load that produces accuracy from approx. Super cheap and easy to make and would likely be a very effective defense ammo against wildlife that might be a threat to me as the two balls will spread an inch or two from each other at close range. .38 Special Montana Gold 125 FMJ Power Pistol 6.1 COL 1.417 Tested with a S&W-686-3, 6", ambient temperature about 32 degrees, no wind, target posted at 25 feet (hey, I'm testing handloads for use, not my long range bear killing skills, defensive only).
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