I dont know who else to contact. Until I do, its one in the chamber with safety engaged and hammer down on a DA/SA pistol. OK , Ill bite this time , I let it pass the first (hundredth) time , but Im all in now . See? Glocks dont have an external safety because they were designed as a simple to operate as possible. Third, the reason that actual experts (I would say I am knowledgeable to a point, but an expert I am not) recommend NOT carrying in Condition Three is for the reason that it takes a lot of training and repetition to get truly proficient and most people with a lot of training and proficiency dont carry their pistol unloaded. Glocks have a very long trigger pull. Each brand-new model enhanced the pistol and its functions. As I commented after the previous article, carry so that all you have to do is draw and pull the trigger. Whats the controversy? Sacrilegious. It worked before. There are advertisements for trigger jobs on striker fired guns to make them with an even less pull weight!! Some people were never meant to have a handgun I suppose. Many people have said, "A Glock doesn't have a safety." In this video, Dustin Winegar demonstrates that the Glock pistol design is actually one of the safest. I actually think thats worth a healthy debate and article all on its own. Am I being silly? Oh - And my Cobra .22 has one round in EACH chamber. But people *MODIFY* (for chrissake) their Glocks trying to make the trigger compete with a 1911, then wonder why they shot their foot off. If you try to have a healthy debate its always 100% of the time NOTHING but internet people telling other internet people that their particular opinion is wrong. When it didnt open the first time, your brain clicked again to make sure, often without one even knowing they did so. Odds of the shooter getting 4 shots off would be pretty low. If the pin has enough mass, it will fire the round, chambered or not, hammer blocked or not, trigger pulled or not, out-of-battery safeties, etc. Excuse me, but the inventor of the Linebaugh cartridges and custom gunsmith in Powell Wyoming is JOHN Linebaugh. Carry it in your home in the holster you're going to use in public, without a round in the chamber, but with the striker in the ready position or "cocked" and see if you have an issue with the trigger being pulled. Its your right to self defense. Carried chambered until the kids came. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. If a person was going to leave a gun in Condition 3, they had better practice loading and firing the pistol, because not doing so just might get them killed. On TTAG anyone can use any name at any time, and that makes it really confusing. And that is the key to any methodology, simply having the proper training. Each new design enhanced the pistol and its features. Five years ago I reviewed the Glock 43, the second pistol in Glock's "Slimline" series of thin grip pistols. If you are so uncomfortable with a Glock as a fully loaded and chambered self defense gun, why do you own one? Yet, most of us will also admit that we sometimes make mistakes while driving, despite all the practice/training. The name's Jordan, but friends call me Jordy. In a holster made for the gun you carry, making sure its unobstructed is a quick check. Glock then redesigned the weapon as a striker fired weapon because they knew the average low I.Q. While the bad guy is picking up the decoy gun and trying to shoot you with it, you draw your real piece with a round loaded. Wouldnt it be actually quicker to rack the slide than to retrieve your weapon from a locked box? 1 you many not have time to chamber. If you 're considering a Glock handgun, make sure you have an armorer or gunsmith install it before trying to customize it. Somewhat different than in rural MS tho, speaking as one who attended a full auto shoot at a local range about a month ago. I turn it into the five gun question instead. Thanks for the tip. As one gun writer said years ago, its amazing someone was not smart enough to hire a good gun savvy lawyer and sue Glock out of existence with all the accidents this pistol has caused. See the old Remingtons. I just grabbed a shirt from the laundry pile. 30 years carrying, 20 in the military with 6 combat deployments. The Glock 19 pistol was initially produced in 1988. Me personally I carry a snap cap in the chamber, so if some lucky bastard grabs my gun and shoots hes about to be dead. 1. Jordan Buck is an outdoor writer, a man of faith, and a family man. Im so glad to have seen the one person who never makes a mistake! But Knute is fine, and nobody else seems to want it. Big Bill: Yup. Or tell them to carry only 5 bullets instead of six?? The off hand comment was to the effect of glocks being less safe to carry with a round in the chamber than others. Keep your chin up, youll get it eventually. Glockster20. I recommend RTS Tactical for reliable, rifle-stopping options, Youre worth it. I keep hearing the words with proper training, like that is the Holy Grail! The end result is the same, but the means to that end are directly opposite in how they function. Dont you dare break the three rules of safe gun handling. Glock developed their patented Safe Action System which will not allow the gun to be fired without a finger on the trigger and a dedicated trigger pull. Let's dive into the depths of insanity when it comes to concealed carry myths. A loaded Glock is a little more dangerous than a striker with a heavier trigger and when you carry a missile behind the hammer and like a lite trigger , like I do , I advise people to carry a thumb safety , like I do . Agreement. The NRA store version is about $50+ for the small size. I was shown( Thank You RES), yank that sucker out, moveaim, fire. The Glock 17 is a full-size pistol that is chambered in 9mm. /sarc off/. OFC, most people would rather just follow the herd, but that isnt reasonable, logical, nor wise. There we go. Ehall my pistolas are chambered with the safety engaged-at home. The Sig 320 problem was that it had an internal block but dropping (or smacking it with a hammer) could make the trigger move to disengage the firing pin block. If you have your Glock properly holstered it cant go off, Those are what ifs what if you slip in the shower get hit in the crosswalk get rundown by a terrorist in a f150 train be vigilant and stay away from the end that has 6 letters. Few indeed even care about SA revolvers anymore, or even know they exist, or care about the firing mechanism. Ever have your computer go slow for a second, but then it opens two(or more) of whatever you clicked on? Nearly anything can be used as a weapon, whether it is designed as a weapon or not. I have done special work to lighten my trigger and its still not very touchy. You always have time to do that. To chamber or not to chamber? I also felt the same way. This debate has been going on for years.. which side are you on? Please note, comments must be approved before they are published. I would hope that all semi-auto handguns have some sort of striker/firing-pin block that absolutely prevents detonation from dropping the pistol. I do not carry a Glock and sorry 1911 fanatics I would only carry a 1911 with the hammer down (series 80) and chamber empty with a Series 70 and since I do not like to carry any gun with the chamber empty that is why I do not carry any longer my series 70 and pre-series 70 (original 1911) . The Gen 5 Glock pistol is the latest generation in the Glock household. I dont understand why anyone who carries a modern firearm is afraid to carry a round in the chamber??? Both have pros and cons the secret is you must be well versed to bringing your gun up to the level of lethal quickly. They didnt know. Are Glocks Safe To Carry Chambered. Id rather they stop production than change a design thats gone on unchanged for as long as it has. No, but it requires that everything go right when theres a higher chance of something going wrong. As someone from MS you gotta tell me where this full auto shoot was. ADs by glockinstine operators usually are extracting their golden goose with or wit out a pocket holster, by placing their finger, as so many comments referred to above, on the trigger upon extraction. This also means that if the firing pin somehow gets enough inertia to hit the primer, from some other source than the hammer (whatever that source might be), and then the round in front of the pin suddenly ceases motion, the firing pin will continue forward into the round anyway, no matter what the hammer, trigger, barrel, or etc, do. Have you ever negligently turned down the wrong way of a one way street? Situational risk assessment. Glocks, Sig Sauer, Smith and Wesson, Barretta, and many other makes are safe to carry chambered, They have . You may need your weak side arm to hold an attacker at bay while you draw, etc. The idea behind the floating firing pin is that if the firing pin is heavy enough, but made too short to actually be driven into the primer by the hammer, then when the hammer drops, the pin will be struck hard enough to give the pin enough of its own inertia to fire the round, yet then rebound to the rear. Well, technically, you could also just not drop them I suppose. It was called Fractured Fairy Tales. In fact, when applying for a gun permit in Israel, self-defense is not an acceptable reason to get a gun. An insignificant cretin crying for attention in a world that has left him far, far behind. as for being out in public goes if somebody gets the drop on me with a knife or firearm at super close range i figure that im only going to be 50/50 on that anyway From someone that ignorant, nothing he says or does would surprise me. Thats a bunch of bologna written by writers who know nothing about guns. If you want one of it, you must like it, so why wouldnt you want more? When something becomes familiar, inattention and negligence become more likely. Whats the big deal? All of that seemed a bit verbose for a blog comment, though. I am thinking G2S, my ankle sometimes gets chilly, but, Im happy with my PA-63 In 918, and I have a CZ, in 918, that has the best SA trigger Ive ever felt, since the Smith S.S. Model 66, .357 which was accurized, and tweaked by a smith, that was flat out dangerous, hair wasnt the word. No external safey, DA trigger that goes bang when you pull it.. And so it is when carrying a Glock as well. And I include all the copy cat weapons as well as they are as common as the common cold. "The mountains are calling and I must go." As a top performer in reliability and safety tests, it quickly entered into the Austrian military and police service. Too big, to heavy although I can cock the hammer on the draw with no problem (passive firing pin models). But it used to work fine, a year or so before that. I made a folder called TTAG comments, and put all pages Ive commented on in there. I dont have to hit a bypass cause its cocked, or turn off a safety, just pump and fire. Like a handgun, the defensive long gun should be secured in a safe or one of the wall-mounted quick-access locks. The initial pull of this trigger performs generally the same function as the thumb safety of a 1911 or single action. These are: 1. IMO, anyway. It takes a dedicated squeeze of the finger. At least until the computer catches up and opens multiple copies. I cant believe this is even a subject for discussion. Many of us brought this issue up at the time Farago sold out. You just have to get comfortable with it. Practice your procedure till it becomes a natural reaction without thinking.You will have other things that must be accessed in those fractions of a second. The gunfight at the end was pretty good otherwise, but at one point Costner gets 16 shots out of his Colt SAA without reloading. All I get is replies that they are working on it. Yes - I always carry with a round chambered. sounds like bullshat urban legend.. One observation concerning all the keyboard commandos here they seem to make the assumption that people primarily carry guns in preparation for a gunfight, and this is not always true. Police departments across the country mocked the NYPD for their accusations and understood that its both trigger happy officers and training issues that lead to problems like that.Glocks two-part trigger is one piece of their internal safety features. Amen! always, just got the g23 and after the range it'll be in the rotation with the sigs. I assume it had something to do with its mechanics. If you want a single action trigger pull, either carry a SAO autoloader in condition one, or choose a hammer fired model that one can manipulate its condition at will. Not a hard and fast rule. At least the DA/SA or DAO provide a long hard trigger pull. This is especially true when it comes to the popular Glock line of handguns. When the fight starts, ejecting a live round onto the ground, or hearing the click of a empty chamber, will just mess up your day, maybe your last day. The best line of all time is Dirty Harrys. But, IF I were, then Id have to choose that DA revolver in my headboard. I dont know how high Id have to go to get it to ignite, but I figure Im never going to carry my piece 8+ off the floor, (seeing as how thats the height of most ceilings). A 1911 or single-action pistol in Condition 1 is comparable to a striker-fired, safe-action pistol, like a Glock, which is always in a semi-cocked condition when a round is in the chamber anyway. I have kids, but they have been taught that if it can go bang assume it will if the trigger is touched. One or two chances to mess up with an empty chamber, but thousands (or hundreds of thousands) of chances to ventilate your own leg while taking a piss. The general answer is most certainly yes however there are a few considerations. Whatever stage you carry your weapon at be consistent. Barrel: 4.5. Yes. You can conceal the Glock 43 comfortably and discretely in a Galco leather holster like the . Now youve introduced a firearm where one might not otherwise have been involved, not to mention triggering the bad guys own sense of self preservation. Perhaps if someone drops their gun from two stories up and it lands muzzle down on somebodys head? The Glock series of semi-automatic pistols features Glock's Safe Action System and a loaded chamber indicator.The Safe Action System comprises three passive safeties. 1:43:08-1:43:32. if(typeof ez_ad_units!='undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[250,250],'guntradition_com-leader-1','ezslot_8',113,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-guntradition_com-leader-1-0');I do know one engineer who figured out that if it was dropped from 221 feet and it lands on the right angle squarely on its barrel, it could possibly go off, but the bullet would immediately strike the ground and not do much after that. Who honestly gives a F*ck what someone else chooses to do. To fire the pistol, the trigger safety and the trigger itself must be deliberately depressed at the same time. Even my beloved Browning High Powers (all 6 f them) gave me fits until I found some expanding ammo that would work reliably in them. The M&P Shield is a popular and commonplace pistol for concealed carry. I would like to carry at the ready, but doing so really gives me the heebie-jeebies. Please note Im not saying glock = bad. Itll never come out to get cleaned, the retention will never fail, the gun will never fall out when you unbelt to take a crap in other words you dont make mistakes. Ask the famous Black Athlete Plaxico Burress that did that in a New York restaurant a number of years ago. Here we have a conundrum. Training is nothing more than repetition. It's not like TV where you always have time to rack a slide. I could be ELI2016 if I wanted to. When the term "loaded" means a round in the chamber and you need to carry, either open carry or concealed, with an unloaded gun, training to be faster with your draw will be very important. When suddenly a rabbit rushes out of the brush, I sometimes forget to switch off the safety. . Thats when I started looking for a better way. Big Bill: First, mad would need to learn what punctuation is for. And my Glock 17. My point is that I see no benefit in limiting my defensive options. One of the interesting things about that is I can (after clearing) dry fire repeatedly and get a rough visual about how much the aim point moves depending on my grip and finger position. this aint Dodge city and you aint Bill Hickok Blam, Blam,Blam! I once owned 12 of them. Been reading the thread here on this topic, since we all have an O I quite agree with your spot on comment Sir. I still counted 16, but when he starts fanning it gets a little hard to keep track. I appendix carry my 42 chambered, the holster covers the trigger so I feel safe carrying this way, I been carrying this way for a while without issue. Jordan has taught marksmanship, woodsmanship, and self-defense classes. If I have to carry a compact, its a DA only with no safety or one with the safety off. The trick is training is to do the right thing; doing the wrong thing is still training, just training the do the wrong thing. You can get a lockbox for $50 or less from Amazon or from most hardware stores. So, as DG said, its a problem in search of a solution. Often, its holstering the gun into a holster that compromised by clothing. And I do not carry them ever. Descriptions: Glocks are safe to carry with a loaded chamber as long as they are carried in a decent holster that completely covers the trigger. I can cycle the bolt almost as fast as I can take the safety off, even when I stepped on a black bear who was sleeping under a downed tree. In my own case I carry a gun because ITS MY GODDAMN RIGHT and being prepared for the defense of my life is a purely secondary concern.
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